Posts by Sea Breeze

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Lessons in Deception

by Sea Breeze in

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i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

it was a huge international hit!.

it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

Sea Breeze

I heard that they were allowed to claim to be born again when mainstream protestants challenged them on this on the doorstep...in the 80s. Is there any WT ruling on claiming to be "born again"?

I been out since 1996. So, hopefully, someone who has been in more recently can respond with something more current.

When I was in, I had no idea of the concept of Justification and that it meant the same thing as being "born again". So, I would have probably ignorantly answered that I was born again when I was an active JW.

However, the WT came right out and plainly said that the average member wasn't Justified in the early 1930's when they officially kicked off the two-tier salvation message (one with the New Covenant and one without it) that JW's are infamous for.

At some point they stopped using the term Justification altogether and replaced it with the term "underserved kindness", which furhter muddied the waters. It all sounds very religious and biblical, but is actually the opposite of bible teaching. ... Kinda like the funny Italian guy sounding like he's knows English in the song above and made millions of dollars while having a bit of fun.

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Lessons in Deception

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

it was a huge international hit!.

it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

Sea Breeze

I think the video above is a recent mix on the original. I believe this is the original song....sounds English. Pretty funny. I think I heard him say something about "sugar coco pops".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsmF9m_Nt8&ab_channel=LePietreRotolanti

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Lessons in Deception

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

it was a huge international hit!.

it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

Sea Breeze

I recently came across a piece of historical trivia: Italian singer Adriano Celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic American English, to prove Italians would love any English song. It was a huge international hit!

It made me think how the WT simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QytckwhRR70&ab_channel=Audiowok

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New meeting format

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

Sea Breeze

PIMO friends tell me that their Cong just asked all Pubs to complete a written form that commits them to a monthly contribution. Said that this commitment is needed so the WTS will know how much they can depend on when considering foreign building projects

In 2014, Watchtower promised to never solicit money, and that begging is offensive.

“Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. ... They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.””

God’s Kingdom Rules (2014) pp.195-196

JW's are very gullible people as a whole.

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Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

by Terry in

if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

Sea Breeze

The very fact I must refer to them and you must think of them as quantities identify the rational distinction our minds demand!

Terry,

I do appreciate your ponderings. Have you ever pondered why the human mind "demands" rationality? Why should we be rational and where did rationality come from?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YIQVoOYwOzg

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Reinstatement Procedure

by KerryKing in

what else has changed?.

during the many years i have been df'd the org has printed a new bible, new song book, doctrinal changes, so has anything changed re reinstating someone?.

i'm contemplating the leap for family reasons but due to my job and young family commitments there is no way i would be able to attend every meeting for months on end.

Sea Breeze

Sanchy: your best bet is to humiliate yourself publicly so that the elders notice

DOC: I think the best approach would be that you see all the things going on in the World and it PROVES that The End is very, very near.

Jesus: "Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower".

Celebrate Revovery has over 30,000 chapters helping people with their hurts, habits and hang-ups. It's free and is helpful in sharing honesty, grief, loss and recovery with others who seek to be healed by Jesus. Jesus is still in the healing business. I have attended off and on for years..... very helpful.

I was never disfellowshipped, faded at first but eventually took a stand for conscious reasons, false prophecies, lack of love in congregations, Jesus not the Mediator for the R&F, etc.

My family has been in it for nearly 100 years. I had several dozen relatives I had to say goodbye to. I started my own family at age 40, have three sons, and was able to get my nephew out.

I find a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that all of the male heirs capable of reproducing and furthering the family name will never be JW's .... because of me. In other words, no descendant with my father's last name will ever worship this idol again. I stopped a legacy of tragedy... at least in one family.

If you will follow Jesus and let the chips fall where they may, Jesus boldly claims to repay a person one hundred times over...."in this age".

Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time...and in the age to come eternal life. - Mark 10: 29

What to do with Jesus and his incredible claims? He's either the most evil person who ever lived because of his lying claims, or he is who he said he is.

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Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

by Terry in

if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

Sea Breeze

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him - Job 13: 15

Terry, in your short story, do you think the people went anywhere after they died?

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Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

by Terry in

if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

Sea Breeze

Gen 49:33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.

When Jacob's body expired, who was it that was went to his people?

Answer: Jacob

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Sea Breeze

PistolPete : "complete ignorance".

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Israel vs Hamas

by Riley in

we might have russians involved in the middle east and are attacking israel.. wait.. i thought the watchtower and tract society was the central figures in the end times.

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not that i believe in any of this nonsense but any news in jw world about how the evangelical narrative might be playing out closer than the wts stupidity.

Sea Breeze

"they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.” - Jesus

Clearly, Jesus expected the people alive in his generation to know the general time frame of the Messiah's appearance.... JUST AS HE DOES NOW. (1 Thess. 5: 4-5)

Here are some signs telling us we have already entered the season of the Lord’s 2nd Coming:

Many endtime prophecies (like temple sacrifices) pre-suppose a literal nation of Israel. After nearly 2000 years of non-existence, it suddenly reappeared "in a day" in 1948. (Isaiah 66:8)

Jerusalem was reclaimed in 1967 by the people of Israel (Isaiah 11:11-16, Joel 3:1-3)

Exponential increases in knowledge (internet) (Daniel 12:4)

Increase in people traveling from place to place (Jet travel) (Daniel 12:4)

The development of microchip and other technologies that for the for first time in history can make buying and selling impossible for some. (Revelation 13:16-18)

Persecution of Christians increasing all around the world (Matthew 24:9-10)

Increased lawlessness in the form of mass murderers, people yielding to immorality, homosexuality, and perversions of every kind "as in the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:12).

After being asked what would be the sign of his coming, the 1st thing Jesus said was to take heed that no one deceives you. The world is buried in deception, and with the invention of AI, it is about to get dramatically worse. People will be (many already are) deceived and have no idea what truth or reality is. 4% of Gen Z say they are transgender.

Jesus also said that "nation will rise against nation". The Greek word for "nation" here is ethnos. Jesus was literally saying that ethnic group would rise against ethnic group. (Identity politics) And this is exacty what we are witnessing on unprecedented levels.

But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.... For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ - 1 Thess. 5: 4-5,9